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Man with concealed gun had to leave Salina theater

Screen Shot 2014-07-16 at 6.33.05 AMSALINA, Kan. (AP) — A man with a legal concealed weapon was asked to leave a Salina movie theater after other customers complained.

Salina police Capt. Mike Sweeney says officers went to the Central Mall movie theater Tuesday when the man became upset when he was asked to leave. The theater reports other customers asked for their money back before the man was asked to leave.

Sweeney says the man had a concealed carry permit and was upset the theater had no signs banning guns. The man cooperated when officers explained that businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone.

The Salina Journal reports an officer saw the outline of a small handgun in a holster under the man’s shirt.

Sweeney says the man didn’t threaten anyone and no charges are being pursued.

 

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  • A_citizen_patriot

    Another citizen being denied his constitutional rights.

    • hmmm

      What right was denied, exactly?

      • Arch Stanton

        After reading about the baker, I searched and found this item: Federal Civil Rights Act: http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

        The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”

        • alexander

          “race, color, religion, or national origin”

          Which of these do you feel applies to the conversation?

          • Wfeather1942

            What applies to the anti gunterds rights being violated also eh, oh thats right, nothing!

          • alexander

            Slow down, boy.

          • Wfeather1942

            Naw, I want to see the ignorants squeal, how better to get the world to see their true color, YELLOW!

    • Chief59

      I missed the part of the Constitution where it said we can carry weapons anywhere we want, anytime we want. Owning guns is fine and dandy. However, carrying them at all times is not only unnecessary, but can cause others to perceive a threat.

      • A_citizen_patriot

        The part that says keep and bear arms.

        • Chief59

          This guy was not denied that. “Bearing arms” in a movie theater is lunacy. Not only that, I highly doubt the framers of this country had anything like that in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment.

          • A_citizen_patriot

            I doubt they had the internet in mind, but you still can say what ever you want to on here. It may be lunacy, be he has the right to defend himself no matter where he is.

          • Yahooserious

            You can say anything u want on the internet? Write Obama a treatening e mail. I dare you. I’m also pretty sure there are people who have been charges with crimes in the internet suck as slander and there are states who have adopted cyberstalking and cyberharassment crimes. The 2nd amendment is like the 1st. You have the right BUT that right is not all inclusive.

          • Citizen

            Businesses also have the right to refuse service to those carrying firearms lawfully or unlawfully.

          • A_citizen_patriot

            You sure? According to who? A business owner cant deny service based on his religious rights.

          • alexander

            Wait, you classify carrying a gun as a ‘religion’?

          • A_citizen_patriot

            Are you really too dense to understand what I was saying?

          • passin_threw

            The answer is in the question

          • alexander

            I think the confusion has more to do with your wild inconsistency and remedial English.

            You argue both sides, depending on what appears easier for you in any given instance, which made the “he” in you sentence somewhat vague. A reader must decide whether you are speaking of the owner or the person being denied.

            Because on one hand you say the law is bad and shouldnt be respected, and on the other hand you argue its the law and should be respected.

            Wildly confusing, Pat.

            You quote the Second Amendment as a be all, end all, while at the same time seemingly supporting some Big Government Socialist implementation of it whereupon it only applies to a select few of the citizenry who engage in a particular sort of bureaucratic government licensing program.

            In fact, it would appear you support the disarmament of a larger percentage of the American populace than your average Democratic Hayspost contributor.

            So forgive those of us who can’t keep up with your flip-flopping on the issue, for we know not what you do.

      • good guy with gun69

        Absolutely, carrying guns at all times in unnecessary and threatening. The Aurora shooter should have know that and left his guns at home as it wasn’t necessary, or at least left when the theater asked him to do so. Let us know when these types of folks get and follow your advice, and then the rest of us can consider it.
        Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.

        • Chief59

          You’re forgetting that mass shootings take place in places where people are gather “in mass”. Schools, churches, malls, etc. Gunmen pick their targets based on where they can inflict the most harm, not where will have the least amount of guns. A lot of the time, that place is somewhere that they have a personal vendetta against.

          Funny how you leave out places like Fort Hood, where there are more weapons than you can shake a stick at, but that didn’t stop a massacre, not once, but TWICE.

          • A_citizen_patriot

            Most of the service men on base are unarmed.

          • Chief59

            Most, not all. There are still more people armed than on your average street.

          • Arch Stanton

            If soldiers are carry weapons, I would think that they have no ammunition with them. Also, the Ft Hood shooters were confronted by civilian cops.

          • Wfeather1942

            Maybe Chief can quote military regulations on firearms on the base for everyone to back up his lies eh Arch…..

            Since it is obvious he was never in the military…..

          • chief96

            Military bases are with exception of mp’s and gun ranges, disarmed. If soldiers in ft? Hood had been allowed to carry, there would have been different outcome. So, you can’t shake a stick…where this happened was in essence gun feee . and it was terrorist act, not the typical psychotic mass shooting. Chief, why aren’t you calling for more mental health instead of fewer guns? Take away guns and you are going to have psychotic people with bombs doing the same thing.

          • Chief59

            Mental health is a serious issue in this country. However, the only time anyone ever talks about it is when they are trying to distract from a recent massacre. You never hear about it other than that. Also, when politicians talk about mental health after mass shootings, that’s all they end up doing. Talking. No legislation introduced. Nothing.

            By the way, I never said take away guns. Plus, guns are easier to get a hold of and use than bombs.

          • Chief69

            Why don’t YOU raise mental health, rather than guns, Chief? I can only surmise you want to demonize guns and don’t care about avoiding the real problem. A typical left strategy to exacerbate the crisis so it doesn’t go to waste ( hmmmm who said that). Just like the border invasion…create a crisis toward other goals ( Cloward – Piven).
            It is fascinating the number of posts this brings out on guns. Why don’t you lead by talking about mental health, Chief? Cloward -Piven explains most if not all of what is happening.
            We are being thrown up against another around other issues …..i.e. the color of the deck chairs, of a ship that is sinking.

          • Chief59

            You are putting words into my mouth. I have not demonized guns, only certain gun owners. Certain people should not be allowed to own/carry a firearm. That includes people who have committed a felony, have mental health issues, etc. Mental health is an extremely serious issue, and requiring a mental health evaluation before purchasing a firearm would be great. Mental health has a certain stigma associated with it, and I fear it will never be addressed. This doesn’t just apply to firearms.

            However, mental health is not the biggest issue with firearms. You act like it is. Also, why are you making this a left/right issue? It isn’t.

          • passin_threw

            Joe, I’m kinda surprised with your paranoia and fear of people carrying guns. Heck when I test drove the bike you were selling on nextech I was carrying and you didn’t even know it

          • alexander

            Doxxing Hayspost users?

            Can we not get mods to ban this wretch?

          • Chief59

            If he was really doxxing me, he wouldn’t be making up stories about test driving some bike on Nextech. I think he’s just a loon trying to get a rise out of us. Either that, or he honestly thinks he knows who I am, and it’s actually some poor sap. Either way, I ignore him now.

          • passin_threw

            Ok you got me. I didn’t test drive the bike you sold. Thanks for the free dirt tho! Have your neighbors mowed their grass yet?

        • FormerHaysResident

          That’s an incredibly stupid conclusion. So basically, they choose anywhere except for shooting ranges, police stations, and…I’m guessing…your house?

      • Granny Grunch

        Oh sure…until that time when we meet the goblin and we aren’t armed. But,if we think in the irrational and illogical way you seem to think, the bad stuff only happens to Other People. Oh may the All Powerful Diety protect us from the goblins and people like you.

        • Que

          ^ WTH?? I’m not sure what you’re trying to communicate… Goblins? All Powerful Deity? Bizarre capitalization? Are you needing mental health services?

          • Granny Grunch

            I’m sorry…I didn’t realize there were children here using mommies computer. Goblins is the term used to identify those people out there that want to take your stuff or hurt/kill you. WEe can’t use the term god because there are too many people who might take offense . Anything else, sonny?

    • Bob Jones

      I think you are missing the point A_citizen_patriot.

      First, I’m all for the 2nd amendment as well as the right to conceal carry. That being said, I know that those rights don’t trump all others. Your’s or my right to carry a concealed weapon does NOT trump a business owners right to refuse service to anyone. If the business owner chooses not to serve those who legally conceal carry, that is within their rights. If you don’t like it, take your business elsewhere. From the descriptions provided in the article, the business would have lost less revenue if the citizen concealing and carrying would have been denied at the door prior to getting in. If I were that business owner and to avoid further confusion, I would post a sign stating banning guns immediately.

      • A_citizen_patriot

        First off, a business does not have the right to refuse service to anyone. I don’t disagree with the rest of your post. My point was he has the right to conceal carry, the business kicked him out for it. So he was denied that right. Im not saying what they did was illegal only unfortunate that they took that route.

        • alexander

          “First off, a business does not have the right to refuse service to anyone.”

          You’re kidding, right?

          • A_citizen_patriot

            Oh so they can deny service to gay couples?

          • alexander

            If I understand correctly, according to you, no, they can’t. Right? That IS what you are saying, for the record?

          • A_citizen_patriot

            What im saying is that according to several court cases you cannot refuse service to gays based on your religion. So according to that, no a business cant refuse service to anyone for any reason.

          • FormerHaysResident

            “to gays”? Jesus. Can I borrow your time machine? Seriously. Just for an afternoon.

          • FormerHaysResident

            Is it wholly surprising that A_Citzen_Patriot has never noticed (and likely…rarely obeyed) the “No Shirt No Shoes No Service” signs in convenience stores?

      • observer

        a business can refuse service to anyone?? tell that to the bakery that wouldn’t do the cake for the gay wedding. I think the theater made the mistake by not posting the policy. places that post against concealed carry do not get my money. they can have their standard, I have mine

  • Just the Truth

    If the gun was properly concealed, no one should have noticed he even had it with him… So technically it was not concealed.

    • A_citizen_patriot

      He could have dropped something and bent over to pick it up.

      • Chris

        That darn slippery soap…

    • A_citizen_patriot

      It says that a cop saw the outline of the gun. So it was still concealed.

      • Arch Stanton

        The article said another movie goer noticed it. Most people would probably not recognize a “printed” sidearm, so, somehow, it must have become visible, which was his mistake. If it were truely concealed, no one should have known he was carrying. You clothing choice must be dictated by your carry arm.

  • backhoe

    As of July 1 isn’t open carry legal in Kansas? If so, this person was well within their rights.

    • Just the Truth

      Open carry = you cannot attempt to conceal. If he walked up with a firearm on his belt, easily seen (open carry), then most likely the theater workers would have denied him service prior to him upsetting other theater attendees.

  • Rocket Science

    If you have your Conceal Carry you can legally carry the gun anywhere that is not posted. However every business has the right to refuse service to anyone and also ask them to leave. They go over this in the course you take to get the Conceal Carry License. Apparently this gentleman didnt pay very close attention in class.

  • Darwin

    Another establishment I won’t be spending money at.

    • granny punch

      If you need to bring a gun to a movie theatre to feel safe, stay at home with your blinds drawn and watch a movie by yourself.

      • Herbert

        I prefer blinds up. But I like to live on the wild side.

  • cowgirl

    Too bad he and a few other concealed carriers weren’t in the Aurora theater in 2012.

    • Chief59

      Why? So that even more casualties would have resulted. The theater was dark so the gunman was able to fire openly without having to worry about anything but hitting as many people as possible. Someone attempting to stop the gunman would have been trying to avoid being shot, while attempting to hit the actual shooter in a dark theater.Someone else having a gun does not necessarily equate a better outcome.

      • A_citizen_patriot

        So the cops should have disarmed before showing up? You cant assume that there would have been more casualties. Theaters are still lit enough to allow people to move threw isles without hurting themselves.

        • Chief59

          You can’t assume that a handful of concealed carriers would have stopped the shooter.

          • A_citizen_patriot

            No but we do know what happened when there were no armed citizens. People have the right to defend themselves. They may not have been able to stop him, but they have the right to try.

          • Arch Stanton

            You cannot assume that they won’t!

      • Granny Grunch

        You,dude, seem to have a problem with guns and I don’t know why we bother responding to your feeble arguments against them but in a certain situation when there is a nut with a gun wanting ti shoot everybody, isn’t better to have A chance for survival or NO chance? Since you probably are a liberal, this last mat be a little confusing. But,thank you for sharing your thoughts with us,no matter how dim they may be.

        • Chief59

          I would absolutely love for you to find one post where I have ever said anything about limiting the number of guns. Ask a_citizen_patriot. We’ve gone around on this issue dozens of times, and I’ve never made the argument for less guns. Limiting access for felons, people with mental health issues, and carrying an arsenal in public? Yeah, I’ve argued against all of that.

          I love how people like you always want to make it and “us against them” thing. Liberals versus conservatives. We are all Americans, we just have differing opinions. Maybe you should try to make an argument with more substance than just “liberals are dumb”.

          • Granny Grunch

            OK

          • granny punch

            Good one granny grunch, strong argument all around.

          • Arch Stanton

            Your recent arguments against legal concealed carry in the theatre are without substance and are based solely on conjecture and opinion.

      • Wfeather1942

        Isnt it amazing how all these incidents in gun free zones, it did end up with a great result, a 6.75 times lower body count than where no resistance occurred, but your to stupid to accept irrefutable facts!

        Still waiting on you insane anti gunterds to post all your horror stories, we havent all millenia numbnut!

        12/17/91 Shoneys Alliston AL

        10/1/97 Pearl High Pearl MS

        4/24/98 Edinsborough PA

        1/16/02 Appalachian Law School VA

        11/20/05 Tacoma WA

        2/12/07 Trolley Mall UT

        12/9/07 New Life Springs CO

        6/6/08 Winnemuca NV

        1/25/08 Makor High School, Jerusalem

        6/11/09 Holocaust Memorial D.C.

        5/4/09 College Station GA

        6/11/09 Golden Market Richmond VA

        1/4/10 Federal Court House Las Vegas NV
        
5/27/10 AT&T store New York Mills NY

        8/7/10 The Wall Jerusalem 

        8/30/10 Sullivan High TN

        4/24/12 New Destiny Church Aurora CO

        8/15/12 Family Research Council D.C.

        12/11/12 Clackamas Mall OR

        12/19/12 San Antonio TX

        1/1/13 NightClub Sacramento CA

        1/31/13 Middle School Atlanta GA

        2/1/13 High School Detroit MI

        10/20/13 Party-Glendale AZ
        12/13/13 Arapahoe HIghSchool CO
        1/11/14 Portland OR Strip Club
        6/3/14 Reynolds High School Troutdale Oregon
        6/14/14 East Peoria IL High School Reunion

        • Chief59

          6,000+ comments, almost exclusively on guns. Maybe try not to be such an obvious NRA shill.

          • Wfeather1942

            Yet you have no facts to disprove all those government facts, try not to be such an obvious Brady Bunch anti gunterd shill!

          • Yahooserious aka psychonuts

            Doubt even the NRA would claim this guy, chief. Probably belongs to a white supremacy group in Arkansas or Tennessee.

          • Wfeather1942

            Then prove the data wrong moron….we havent all millenia…especially your proof that facts are crazy………

            Oh wait, only Saul Alinsky devotees live to play Rule #5, demonize and character assasination anyone who gets in your way (especially the ones with facts), got it!

        • Free Thinker

          No one likes you.

          • Wfeather1942

            Aw, no one likes imbeciles and idiots, heck we heard even the voices in your head have abandoned you, man thats pathetic!

          • Free Thinker

            I understand your anger. It’s probably pretty tough being as lonely as you. Alas, you have done this to yourself, so it’s all on you.

          • Wfeather1942

            Aw, the pathetic Saul Alinsky Rule #5 demonize & character assasinate that which you cant prove wrong, what a moron!

          • Free Thinker

            You are proving me right, I don’t have to. Sad old sack.

          • Wfeather1942

            So lets see you have provided government data to prove the above wrong…hmmmmm, I still have 20-10 vision and I dont see it, where did you post it moron?

          • Free Thinker

            Government data is not required for you to prove that you are insufferable. THAT is what you have been proving. Have a great Friday!

          • Wfeather1942

            No, government data is required to prove me wrong, and since you are mentally deranged comparing a government fact & data based beating of your position as insufferable, we suggest you go find a psychiatrist to help ease your angst and pain cause unless you start paying us to solve your insecurities of your limited intellect, you really do need to go find professional psychiatric help sweety!

          • Wfeather1942

            Oh and your right, you are a nobody, hence noonne, first truthfull thing you stated today!

          • Free Thinker

            *You’re, *truthful, *no one

          • Wfeather1942

            Grammatical correctness is irrelevent when lecturing imbeciles, hence I dont bother as you havent the intellect to comprehend!

          • Free Thinker

            How long did it take you to make sure you spelled everything correctly? 10 minutes? 11?

          • Wfeather1942

            Micorseconds actually, then again, comparing I to you, I would have to climb back down the evolutionary ladder over 1 million rungs to get low enough for your intellect level!

      • Arch Stanton

        You make a hypothetical argument that guarantees the attacker will continue the attack unabated. You cannot DISPROVE that legally carrying Citizens could have neutralized the threat quickly.

  • Who Cares really!

    Everyone was within there rights in this case, He can get a permit for a concealed carry handgun and the business can refuse to serve him because he is carrying a handgun. Welcome to America…..everyone was in the right…..yah :)

  • Arthur Doyle

    Much ado about nothing.

  • JG

    Maybe this is a sign that the general public is taking a stance against the ever growing possibility of gun violence.

    • Granny Grunch

      Tell that to the inner city folks who commit all your “gun Violence” and that lovely group known as the bloods in Jersy City who are threaten revenge against all police for the shooting of one of their dear brothers…who had just ambushed a policeman and killed him as he sat in his car.

      • Physonuts

        Case in point. The cop had a gun. Didn’t do him much good did it.

        • Wfeather1942

          So disarm cops as they can be trusted based on one incident right!

          Hey maybe you should go talk to this criminal lover of yours as his intended victim took his gun away and shot him, so all criminals should be disarmed right moron!

          http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2014/06/14/shooting-robbery-home-invasion-new-iberia/10519321/

          Hey maybe you can ask this bad guys about what happens when he tries to rape a woman, and then she takes his gun and blows his wanker off eh moron.

          Man it has happened twice, better get right on banning criminals as you inferring they were perfect and never missed is a pathological lie, but then you are an inherent pathological liar!

          http://www.wwltv.com/news/crime/250274491.html

          • Psychonuts

            Uh apparently u didn’t read the news, “moron”. The crook took it from an ARMED security guard. Then Killed the cop with it. Yes, criminals are my lovers. Lol. I love the anger from you survivalist types. No wonder the ATF and FBI are constantly after y’all. Funny stuff.

            Proof read before posting, man. Your reply to my post is kind of incoherent.

          • Wfeather1942

            Apparently you arent American otherwise you could comprehend the statement made in simple clear english, BASED ON YOUR IDIOTIC BELIEFS BECAUSE HE TOOK THE GUN FROM AN ARMED GUARD THEREFORE ALL POLICE AND ARMED GUARDS SHOULD BE DISARMED!

            Please try and keep up there imbecile!

          • Psychonuts

            Yes that’s exactly what I said. Lmao. Instead of studying and twisting government “facts”. You should try reading comprehension. They teach it in college, bro.

          • Wfeather1942

            Instead of sucking, swallowing and blowing, maybe you should post the government data to disprove the above and below government data, oh wait, that would require an IQ above 0, your SOL!

          • Gun supporter

            It’s funny how you try to be collected and fact-oriented on some of your posts until someone contradicts you, then you turn into a 16 year old kid on XBox live: berating people’s intelligence and going straight for a sexual reference instead of continuing an informed conversation. Way to give your “cause” gravitas.

          • Wfeather1942

            Contradicts me with what, hot air, unsubstantiated claims, its all PATHOLOGICAL LYING ANTI GUNTERDS HAVE!

            So how about one of you idiots act like a real adult for once and provide actual GOVERNMENT DATA to disprove all that above and below!

            You too stupid to do that, apparently!

    • Wfeather1942

      So when are you anti gunterds ever going to prove that it is law abiding gun owners responsible for the majority of violence rather than the 97.3% of all killings by illegal use of a gun being committed by career criminals, gang members, suiciders, crazies like you, and domestic violence abusers as per US GOVERNMENT DATA eh sunshine!

  • Granny Grunch

    Our brother is going to have to buy more appropriate clothing in order to prevent the antigun psychotics from seeing what is causing them to whimper and cringe and scream for their mama. I also would not refrain from going back to that theater…that is “in your face” and “up yours” mode.

    • Psychonuts

      So he’s your “brother” cause he has a consealed firearm? Man, your the type who scare me. Just cause you have a gun doesn’t mean you have to take it everywhere. I think well see alot more of the movie theatre’s stance than those business’s that will allow it. I’m perfectly comfortable with weapons, however, the general public is not. So be prepared to be “discriminated” against when you go somewhere with your “precious” little hand gun.

      I know how all u gun nuts feel. The world is out to get you and every business you walk into is a potential death trap unless you have that weapon on you. Paranoid survivalists allowed to pack all the heat they want, sanctioned by law. Scary stuff.

      • Guest

        No kidding. GG, presumably armed, is now bragging about how he’d like to go into the theater now to start a confrontation. Because he feels his rights are being trampled. Consider this if your high school-aged son, daughter, niece or nephew is working at that theater and has to talk down an armed and unstable individual like GG, who is itching for a fight in his “in your face” and “up yours” mode? Scary stuff!

        GG, do me and the rest of the gun-loving and CC-licensed world a favor and shut it. Your not helping the cause one bit with your unbalanced rants.

        • Granny Grunch

          Right on…spoken like a true antigun troll. What else do you have for us?

          • Guest

            Sorry GG, I own plenty of guns. CC holder. Veteran who loves to shoot relationally. I’ve taught my kids how to handle, shoot and maintain them as well.

            All I have to offer is responsible firearm ownership and reasoned arguments. I’ll leave crazy proclamations up to you.

          • Wfeather1942

            So lets see all your demonstrations of law abiding gun owners going psycho sunshine, all we hear from you elmeruss fuddus is WHAT IF WHAT IF, which in the sane world is never sufficient reason to take away peoples rights because you are a scared of the dark!

      • Arthur Doyle

        I realize your post was a response and sometimes responses can become tempestuous. The two valid points you had in your third and fourth sentence of your first paragraph were overshadowed in the second paragraph when you exposed your sciolism. The second paragraph was pugnacious and did nothing to strengthen your argument.

      • Granny Grunch

        OK..now you have done it…..you have hurt my feelings and just for that I’m taking my putor and my deflated ego someplace where we don’t have to joust against brains which are dumber than windmills. Pls don’t talk about me after I’m gone. Adios,pendejos….

        • Psychonuts

          Brains dumber than windmills? Lol. Okay. Well at least windmills have a purpose and they work to serve that purpose. Your brain, not so much. But it’s okay. You can compensate with a gun and holster. Make sure you clp and break free it a lot. Exercise those mag. Springs. Want that brain to work when you need it.

  • Wfeather1942

    Here is a small list of succesful armed self defense incidents July-Jun2014, please demonstrate where innocent bystanders were shot eh, we havent all millenia anti gunterds!

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/nude-homeowner-scares-off-burglar-in-georgetown/ngdqz/?nmredir=true

    http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/riverdale-jonesboro/2014/07/10/armed-security-guard-jonesboro-armed-robbery-tara-blvd-boulevard/12444307/

    http://www.wjtv.com/story/25984035/jackson-resident-shoots-intruders-during-home-invasion

    http://www.wyff4.com/news/deputies-cashier-pulls-gun-on-man-who-threatened-to-kill-her/26841604#!beTlfC

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-military-member-concealed-carry-shoots-attacker-20140706,0,5324984.story

    http://www.wkrn.com/story/25951510/1-killed-after-domestic-dispute-in-hendersonville

    http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2014/07/03/wheelchair-bound-homeowner-kills-intruder-officers-say/12196521/

    http://www.ky3.com/news/local/resident-who-shot-and-killed-home-invasion-intruder-speaks-out/21048998_26820188

    http://www.kentucky.com/2014/07/01/3318713/police-employee-at-the-castle.html?sp=%2F99%2F322%2F&ihp=1

    http://readingeagle.com/news/article/reading-police-investigate-late-night-shooting

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chino-hills-man-shoots-daughters-exboyfriend-20140625-story.html

    http://articles.philly.com/2014-06-25/news/50829109_1_knife-wielding-man-inspector-scott-small-police-officer

    http://www.wlky.com/news/homicide-investigation-underway-on-larchmont-avenue/26571542#!beUvhw

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/06/police_lebanon_man_fired_gun_i.html

    http://www.ktvb.com/news/Naked-stranger-floods-familys-kitchen-and-defecates-on-floor-264054661.html

    http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/25827893/shooting-victim-drives-to-jackson-apartment-complex

    http://www.news-journal.com/panola/news/step-father-shoots-step-son-in-self-defense-after-denying/article_30b035df-30c5-5001-b170-58c3cbe0f121.html

    http://wreg.com/2014/06/19/man-shoots-moms-boyfriend-to-save-her-life/

    http://www.krem.com/news/Coeur-dAlene-man-says-concealed-weapon-saved-his-life–263760671.html

    http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/local/x1396893474/Man-shoots-home-invaders

    http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2014/06/17/man-shot-macon-jarvis-brooks/10671933/

    http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/a9a7a101c21d4e968605fc702f7a020f/IL–Sports-Bar-Killings/#.U8Qb3hYoZuZ

    http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/25786521/red-lake-falls-store-owner-holds-burglar-at-gunpoint-for-police

    http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2014/06/16/columbus-whitethorne-chase.html

    http://www.khou.com/news/local/Bystander-shoots-suspected-robber-outside-northeast-Houston-nightclub-263281121.html

    http://www.wbir.com/story/news/local/hamblen-jefferson-cocke-greene/2014/06/16/man-captures-burglar-after-being-shot-in-the-face/10590673/

    http://misguidedchildren.com/justice/2014/06/louisiana-60-year-old-gun-owner-apprehends-couple-on-crime-spree/23602

    http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Police-Man-fires-warning-shots-after-suspects-ram-car-follow-him-home-263158361.html?ref=361

    http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2014/06/14/shooting-robbery-home-invasion-new-iberia/10519321/

    http://www.pharostribune.com/local/x1927792609/Shooting-death-ruled-justified-homicide

    http://www.localnews8.com/news/woman-arrested-after-men-shot-with-bb-guns/26466642

    http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/06/11/3972125/fresno-county-homeowner-shoots.html?sp=/99/406/

    http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2014/06/huntsville_police_investigatin.html

    http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/pascocounty/2014/06/11/port-richey-shooting/10315427/

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2014/06/11/police-union-township-homeowner-shoots-intruder/10314807/

    http://www.pahomepage.com/story/d/story/employee-stops-robbery-with-legally-owned-gun/21216/5RkqBY_O1USCCMecWEBO0w

    http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/lancaster-police-investigate-deadly-shooting-apart/ngJLx/

    http://fox2now.com/2014/06/10/one-person-dead-another-at-the-hospital/

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/robber-intended-victim-both-injured-when-they-open-fire-b99287546z1-262413811.html

    http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-north-pinellas/largo/good-samaritan-draws-gun-to-break-up-fight

    http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/25732332/deputies-clerk-pulls-gun-on-would-be-pepperspray-robber

    http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/man-reportedly-shoots-two-in-fairbanks-home-invasion/article_46ce9a66-ee57-11e3-8db1-0017a43b2370.html

    http://www.crossville-chronicle.com/local/x1396877168/Victim-confronts-burglary-suspect-with-gun

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/College-Student-Shoots-Robber-261804931.html

    http://www.suwanneedemocrat.com/community-news-network/x1934105303/Homeowner-shoots-intruder-who-fled-Indiana-mental-ward

    http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2014-06-04/Suspected-car-burglar-shot-by-owner-in-S-Fla

    http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Victim-of-Break-In-Chases-Away-Suspects-261518601.html

    http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/Caught-on-video-Bakersfield-store-owner-fires-warning-shots-261602271.html

    http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2014/06/police_bay_county_man_holds_ho.html

    http://www.kcci.com/news/two-men-seriously-injured-after-attempted-robbery/26280058#!TFoVI

    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/1-dead-after-shooting-orlando-gas-station/ngBdm/?ecmp=social_20140601_25088876

  • Wfeather1942

    Maybe you anti gunterds can find some accidental collateral shootings here in these successful armed self defense incidents in MAY 2014 alone, come on we havent all millenia morons!

    http://www.wesh.com/news/convenience-store-clerk-shoots-at-robbers-in-daytona-beach/26242336#!UtnLk

    http://www.doverpost.com/article/20140530/NEWS/140539982/-1/sports

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/authorities-griffin-police-officer-shot-killed-waf/ngBLC/

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-shoots-would-be-home-intruders/nf9kS/

    http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/nopd-investigating-thursday-morning-homicide/26224662?tru=4C9pY#mid=19315858

    http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/property-owner-shoots-would-be-thief-in-simpson-county/article_f1fdced1-a446-5c67-86f3-5e24216ee8f0.html

    http://abc7.com/news/1-shot-killed-in-north-hollywood-after-crash/83679/

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Officials-Man-interrupts-store-robbery-kills-5514834.php

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/police-cobb-homeowner-shoots-kills-intruder/nf8wr/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/teen-shot-killed-rob-driver-brooklyn-street-sources-article-1.1806542#

    http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/shooting-at-apodaca-park-considered-selfdefense-police-say-5040.shtml#.U8Q7DBYoZua

    http://abc30.com/news/three-shot-one-killed-in-orosi-shooting/79635/

    http://www.ksl.com/?sid=30060969&nid=968&s_cid=rec3

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/business-owner-shoots-at-man-believed-to-be-a-burglar/26163532

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/05/25/4932665/robbery-suspect-shot-at-south.html#.U4Or7GRdUsg

    http://www.kcci.com/news/woman-pulls-handgun-on-wouldbe-robber/26132766#!beXy8I

    http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20140522/LOCAL07/305229920/1002/LOCAL

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/man-fights-back-in-attempted-robbery-shoots-suspect-twice/26114890

    http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/25578793/concealed-handgun-brings-quick-end-to-road-rage-altercation

    http://wkbn.com/2014/05/21/clerk-pulls-gun-shoots-alleged-robber/

    http://www.ktul.com/story/25565673/suspect-shot-to-death-after-alleged-attempted-vehicle-theft

    http://www.hendersondispatch.com/news/x1288225119/Homeowner-kills-suspect-during-break-in

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/05/20/3204018/sheriffs-department-teen-shot.html?sp=/99/296/

    http://www.local10.com/news/police-investigate-shooting-at-hialeah-pharmacy/26055254

    http://www.13abc.com/story/25559271/toledo-woman-with-gun-stops-mugger-with-bat

    http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Man-shot-after-allegedly-attempting-to-steal-from-Aldi-store-near-Kingshighway-259730571.html

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/hillcrest-medical-center-security-guard-fatally-shoots-man/article_6fb49731-18e6-5d27-ab2e-84ab7c94d0ca.html?mode=story

    http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/17/bandit-shot-struggle-muncie-store-clerk/9214681/

    http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/TPD-Responding-To-Crime-Scene-On-South-Adams-Street-259399341.html

    http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/25528804/police-donut-shop-owner-opens-fire-on-would-be-robber

    http://www.wtoc.com/story/25526448/therell-high-school-on-lockdown-as-police-chase-robbery-suspect

    http://bangordailynews.com/2014/05/15/news/penobscot/armed-millinocket-teen-detains-man-for-allegedly-trying-to-break-into-vehicle-police-say/

    http://www.wxyz.com/news/man-shot-killed-in-inkster

    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Off-duty-police-officer-shoots-attempted-robber-5489219.php

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Police-Burglar-s-buttocks-wound-helped-crack-case-5475168.php

    http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Increased-police-presence-at-Port-Neches-5477311.php

    http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/court-documents-south-side-man-shot-home-invader/article_09be38aa-06c6-5446-acb8-43b20b8698a5.html

    http://www.wbtv.com/story/25500513/robbery-victim-fatally-shoots-robbery-suspect-inside-northwest-charlotte-home

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/05/12/1-shot-on-south-side.html

    http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638825/

    http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638825/

    http://swtimes.com/news/man-killed-shootout-outside-central-mall

    http://www.waff.com/story/25481446/police-would-be-intruder-shoots-resident-in-hand

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/teen-breaks-home-confronted-owner/nfsHN/

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/teen-breaks-home-confronted-owner/nfsHN/

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/elderly-st-clair-county-resident-fatally-shoots-alleged-intruder-police/article_1da23e12-b5c5-5557-8b30-24de00851ba8.html

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25442018/2014/05/06/woman-shoots-intruder-after-alleged-assault

    http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Victim-pulls-gun-on-alleged-carjacker-257978281.html

    http://blog.al.com/breaking/2014/05/man_shot_by_estranged_wifes_br.html

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/05/04/2-suspected-burglars-shot-dead-by-homes-occupant/

  • Wfeather1942

    Lets identify who exactly is responsible for the majority of that violence first.

    http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

    For several decades, studies have been conducted on crime and causalities by various bodies including major universities, criminologists and even the U.S. Department of Justice.

    These studies have found that approximately 80% of all crime is committed by 20% of all criminals.

    Some of the studies have provided slightly different numbers but all of them have found that a small group of criminals commit a vastly disproportionate number of crimes than their peers.

    Wolfgang et al ., 1972;
    Petersilia et al ., 1978;
    Williams, 1979;
    Chaiken and Chaiken, 1982;
    Greenwood with Abrahamse, 1982,
    Martin and Sherman,1986.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/14/gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions?s_cid=rss:gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions

    “Gun Violence Significantly increased by social interactions”

    Andrew Papachristos, an associate professor of sociology at Yale, analyzed police and gun homicide records from 2006 to 2011 for people living in a high-crime neighborhood in Chicago. He found that 41 percent of all gun homicides occurred within a network of less than 4 percent of the neighborhood’s population, and that the closer one is connected to a
    homicide victim, the greater that person’s chances were for becoming a victim. Each social tie removed from a homicide victim decreased a person’s odds of becoming a victim by 57 percent.

    “What the findings essentially tell you is that the people who are most at risk of becoming a victim are sort of surrounded by victims within a few handshakes,” Papachristos says. “These are young men who are actively engaged in the behaviors that got them in this network.”

    The network in question consists of more than 3,700 high-risk individuals – young, African-American males from a poor neighborhood – who were clustered into a network by instances of co-offending, meaning each
    person in the group had been arrested with another person.

    Overall, the community’s five-year homicide rate was 39.7 per 100,000 people, which was still much higher than the averages of other areas of Chicago (14.7 per 100,000). But being a part of that network of
    co-offenders, essentially just being arrested, raised the rate to by nearly 50
    percent, to 55.2 per 100,000. What’s more, being in a network with a homicide victim increased the homicide rate by 900 percent, to 554.1 per 100,000.

    “You’re at a risk for living in this [certain] community, but if you’re in the network, your risk is astronomical,” Papachristos says. “That rate is beyond epidemic proportion, that’s actually scary.”

    http://www.pewstates.org/uploadedFiles/PCS_Assets/2011/Pew_State_of_Recidivism.pdf

    Recidivism rates being over 40% as well!

    2.7 mil prisoners

    1.4 mil active gang members

    2.5-3.5 mil active criminals

    1.043 mil plus open felony warrants

    Hence add in the career criminals.

    CDC -Suicidal people speak for them-selves as suicide is a felony.

    Shall we review police firearm discharge reports in Chicago and NYC where between 76-80% of those involved in shootings, both shooter and injured
    were both involved in criminal activity at the time of the incident.

    http://www.popcenter.org/problems/drive_by_shooting/PDFs/Block_and_Block_1993.pdf,
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/2007_firearms_discharge_report.pdf,
    http://www.nyclu.org/files/nypd_firearms_report_102207.pdf

    Yeah, review of all the govt. data above shows over 96% of all killings by illegal use of a firearm are committed by career criminals, gang members, suiciders & crazies w approximately 50% of the remainder due to domestic violence incidents.

    A sane person would normally address the largest problem first don’t you
    agree?

    • Wfeather1942

      Oh you want numbers, ok!

      Since suicides are illegal, murder is illegal that means accidental deaths, justifiable homicides and the % of murders not committed by
      FELONS or any of the other 9 categories of people banned can be removed from the 31,084 total, which as noted in the multiple USDOJ studies and reports 80% of the most violent crimes are committed by career criminals, gang members.

      Do the numbers now that you have the premise, here are the numbers for 2011.

      31,084 killings by use of gun
      9,892 murders
      19,766 suicides
      591 justifiable homicides (209 by civilians using a gun, 270 total)
      835 accidental deaths

      ((9,892 x .8)+19,766)/31,084 -(591+835) = 27,860/29,658 = 93.9%.

      Oh darn, forgot the FBI not reporting the correct number of justifiable homicides, so since 209 justifiable homicides were by firearm alone
      by civilians, 5 times 209 = 1,045.

      So 29,658-1,045 = 28,613

      Redone = 27,860/28,613 = 97.3% darn, that’s more than 96%, my
      bad!

  • Wfeather1942

    Of course anti gunterd morons never do remeber or admit that settled codified law makes 85% of all gun control laws NOT APPLICABLE AS A PUNISHMENT AGAINST CRIMINALS!

    http://supreme.justia.com/us/390/85/

    Haynes vs. U.S. 390 U.S. 85 1968 where the US Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of Haynes that any law requiring a felon to self incriminate themselves and violate their 5th amendment rights was not enforceable as a charge for prosecution.

    Hence criminals don’t have to follow 85% of the existing gun control laws that do so, e.g. your stolen weapons, registrations, background checks etc….

    Amazing how the criminals don’t have to obey these laws yet only law-abiding citizens do? This just validates the hypocrisy that laws affect only the felons!

    After all, 22,417 gun control laws and we see how effective a piece of legislation is at stopping violence because if it did, there wouldn’t be ANY VIOLENT CRIME.

    But anti gunterds will use their magic fairy wand and sprinkle some magic fairy dust and wish for bad guys to obey the laws now eh, ROTFLMFAO!

  • Koba Solzhenitsyn

    How easy it is to frighten the sheeple.

  • Wfeather1942

    http://news.yahoo.com/federal-gun-prosecutions-decline-despite-obama-executive-action-233021126.html;_ylt=A0LEVzMk9cNTm1IAyPJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzNTdya3JpBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM2OV8x

    http://usanewsbreaker.com/news/2615

    “The reason the ATF doesn’t make it a high priority to target people who attempt to buy a gun from the gun dealer is they spend the majority of their time targeting violent offenders who use guns illegally,” said Mike Brouchard, the former assistant director for field operations of the ATF. “By taking that person and arresting them it has little to no impact on violent crime.”

  • Wfeather1942

    BATF prosecutes less than 1% of the 2.056 mil rejected since 1997.

    BATF doesn’t do anything about the 95.52% of bad guys (21 mil + since 1997) who don’t even try to buy from a licensed source to begin with.

    BATF doesn’t allow civilians access to NICS for background checks on private sales.

    BATF out of 139,651 rejected in 2010 only prosecuted 44, 26 straw buyers, 11 felons, 7 domestic violence abusers, no crazies.

    BATF let over 297,577 straw buyers pass the background check and buy over 446,363 guns in 2010 (over 2.23 mil+ since 1997)

    Govt. refused to resource to input the mentally ill & felons into NICS database with only 4.865 mil severely mentally ill and felons in NICS database as of Mar 2013 while there are over 31.793 mil of both in the US.

    Govt. refuses to resource people and moneys to pursue the 1.043 mil + people wanted on open felony warrant of whom 50% are probably severely mentally ill as are 50% of current 2.7 mil prisoners.

    Man them are some nasty loopholes the government & BATF have created.

  • Rationalperson

    For Timothy McVeigh having been executed he sure does post on here a lot as Wfeather1942.

    • Wfeather1942

      For claiming to be so smart, anti gunterds are the dumbest morons in the world never posting any real government facts to back up their pathetic squealing and lies!

      • Rationalperson

        For being a government hater you sure do love their supposed statistics. Twist them anyway u wish. I live in this place called reality. Should join us sometime.

        • Wfeather1942

          Where is your government data to beat the above and below government data dumfukk?

          • Replying to crazy

            You are a detriment to both your cause and society. I sincerely hope you never hold a firearm, as I get the feeling you’re just itching for a chance to shoot someone to prove yourself a hero and justify conceal carry laws (which I already fully support without your raving lunacy before me).

          • Wfeather1942

            You know what, your not a gun owner, your a paid anti gunterd media ho with no GOVERNMENT FACTS to disprove all that data.

            So put up or find a gay club and sag your pants little boy!

          • Seriously?

            Thanks for modding comments hayspost. Glad you guys allow people like this internet troll on here.

          • Wfeather1942

            Says the elmeruss fuddus anti gunterd troll!

          • Wfeather1942

            An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.[2] Fallacious Ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely as a genetic fallacy,[6] a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.[7] Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact.

            Hence it is not an error to use and ad hominem response, when all one has to support their claims, are lie, damned lies, and pathological lies like anti gunterds do!

            Elmeruss Fuddus: A supposed gun owner who says “I support the 2A but….”

            That be you hence it is not a lie but a description based on your actions!

            Anti gunterd: a person who refuses to acknowledge all the data and government facts proving their position wrong and repeats the same disproven lies perpetually:

            That be you hence it is not a lie but a description based on your actions!

            Moron: a person who refuses to listen to facts no matter how overwhelming they are, and repeats its lies over and over!

            Oh that be you also hence it is not a lie, but a proper description of your actions, hence you wish to lose said title, you change, or not, your problem!

            Oh wait, trolls have no facts, only insults, you indeed are the troll.

            By the way, where are all your government facts to prove all the government facts we posted wrong eh moron?

        • Reality

          Don’t invite him in!!!

  • Wfeather1942

    Review of Self-defense incidents collated at Guns Save Lives dot net (many more website and incidents exist, takes time to collate) from February 2012-present shows….



    780 = Total Incidents

    2,242 = Total People Defended

    1,264 = Total attackers

    11 = Attacked in car (car jacking)

    168 = Attacked at Business

    506 = Attacked at Home

    83 = Attacked Other (churches, parking lots, etc…)

    64.9% = % of attacks at home

    2.52 = Avg. # of attackers when more than 1

    59.6% = % of incidents 1 attacker

    40.4% = % of incidents more than 1 attacker

    60.6 % = % of bad guys armed



    Hmmmm, where were all the police to protect these victims eh?

  • Wfeather1942

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mexicos-cartel-fighting-vigilantes-get-closer-texas-border-n151441

    Oh darn, people arming and defending themselves, GASP!

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/El-Cajon-Gun-Store-Robbed-by-Armed-Men-Hiram-Guns-263095121.html

    Fake firearms, man you anti gunterds better ban those to!

    http://gunsnfreedom.com/jack-in-the-box-robbed-at-gun-point-again-3rd-time-since-guns-were-banned-from-store/

    Gun free signs, didn’t stop the criminals yet again!

    http://rt.com/usa/160900-ncarolina-no-guns-allowed-robbery/

    Thought you anti gunterds claimed no guns allowed signs stopped
    criminals eh, LOL!

    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/are-weak-gun-laws-to-blame-for-chicago-violence-BXOBhpmAQuK16M_M6LZH9g.html

    Bloomberg’s guy admits ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS, LOL!

    http://www.easybakegunclub.com/news/5057/Good-Samaritan-stops-attempted-murder%2C-is-protecte.html

    Warning shot works…this time!

    http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/101754/

    Target robbery……thought this was a gun free zone eh?

    http://www.decaturish.com/2014/07/man-punches-woman-steals-mercedes-edgewood/

    Thought criminals obeyed your no guns at Target signs eh?

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/07/national/crime-legal/man-guns-wife-ikebukuro-care/#.U7rA2BKYNok

    A man fatally shot his wife Sunday night in a cafe in the Ikebukuro district of Tokyo, apparently in a fit of anger during a quarrel.

  • Wfeather1942

    Of course we see how in dozens of court rulings that the police are by law, not legally liable to protect the individual civilian.

    Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (no federal constitutional requirement that police provide protection)

    Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Calogrides v. Mobile, 846 (no liability for failure to arrest or to retain arrested person in custody)

    Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Stone v. State 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Simpson’s Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871 (Ind. App.) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    “Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others.” -Lynch vs North Carolina Department of Justice 1989

  • Wfeather1942

    We have found the perfect solution for suicide in the US, all based on your progressive kommies penchant for everyone shares responsibility for everyone else’s actions! This based on a N Korean defectors response to what is the suicide rate in N Korea!

    http://hangukstory.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-north-korea-has-lowest-suicide-rate.html

    North Korea is known to be the country with the lowest suicide rate on earth. Why is this, for this nation with the worst world economy, human rights violations, and highest number of defectors in the world? It is because there is a mental pressure far stronger than suicide itself.

    North Korea defines, “Every citizens of DPRK is a family member of ‘Kim Il Sung People’ and a child of ‘Ocean-like Kim Jong Il comrade’.” Because of this, every citizen is a member of this larger society; therefore, committing suicide is considered a treason, marking the person as a traitor to the leader, the party, the nation, and the people.

    If someone in your family committed suicide, everyone in the family gets purged by North Korea’s infamous IMPLICATED CRIME LAW.

    This is why a North Korean citizen can end his/her poor life by starving/freezing/beaten to death, but not suicide. However, even with this kind of strict and unforgiving social pressure on suicide, some people kill themselves with much contempt for their government.

    Suicide may let the dead rest, but the rest of the family would be socially and politically ostracized for the rest of their lives, with no hope for success or career.

    So in reality, you anti gun nuts should be all over this kind of law, punish those not responsible, collectively, the kommie lovers way.

    Convictedof suicide or violent felony, your entire family will never have welfare, food stamps, free school, no citizenship, etc, etc…no trial to decide this, automatic and no repeals!

    That would be a constitutional law as we already see law abiding people not guilty of committing a crime being taxed, registered, banned because of the criminals actions.

    So when are you anti gun nuts going to buy into such an obvious good law that would reduce suicides and violence in just a couple months time eh?

    • Laughable

      Yes because everything that comes out of North Korea is fact. Ask Denis Rodman. I’m sure he will back u up. Dude, give up man. Your only hurting your own cause. Wow!

      • Wfeather1942

        So impliment the IMPLICATED CRIME LAW, whatsa matter scared to do it, its your wet dream fantasy, punish the innocents!

      • Wfeather1942

        By the way, since you have like 5 or 6 different account names, you really need to change the way you write your BS to be more believable anti gunterd!

  • Wfeather1942

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/16/psychiatrists-explain-why-keeping-guns-f

    Psychiatrists Explain Why Disarming the ‘Mentally Ill’ Won’t Prevent Mass Murders

    Jacob Sullum|Oct. 16, 2013 6:47 pm

    Wow, another psychiatrist, this one at left wing paradise HARVARD says it simply……

    No one wants a dangerous person to have a weapon. But our mental-health system simply can’t be the last line of defense.

    There are just too many mistakes.

    Potential victims need to be able to defend themselves.

    Arthur Berg, a former associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard
    Medical School

  • Wfeather1942

    Hey, lets review how many mass shootings in gun free paradises we have eh!

    Location Number killed Date



    Norway attacks 77 7/22/2011

    Westgate Mall, Nairobi Kenya 67 9/21/2013

    Sang-Namdo, South Korea 57 Apr-82

    Agricultural College, Potiskum Nigeria 50 9/29/2013

    Yobe State Boarding School Nigeria 42 2/25/14
    Port Aurthur, Australia 35 4/28/1996
    VA Tech 33 4/16/2007

    Cave of the Patriarchs, Hebron Israel 29 2/24/1994

    Sandy Hook 28 12/14/2012

    Offa, Karwa Nigeria 26 12/21/2013
    Mubi Adamawa Nigeria 25 10/3/2012
    Luby’s Cafeteria 24 10/16/1991

    San Ysidro Massacre 22 7/18/1984
    Igbo Town Hall meeting Adamawa Nigeria 20 
1/7/2012
    Dunblane, Scotland 18 3/13/1996

    Erfurt, Germany 18 4/26/2002

    Hungerford, UK 17 8/19/1987

    Cuers, France 17 Sep-95

    Kandahar, Afghanistan 16 3/11/2012

    Texas Tower Sniper 16 8/1/1966

    Winnenden, Germany 16 3/11/2009

    Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal 15 12/6/1989

    Columbine High 15 4/20/1999

    Edmond, OK 15 8/20/1986

    Zug, Switzerland 15 9/27/2001

    Aramoana, New Zealand 14 11/13/1990

    Binghampton, NY 14 4/3/2009
    
Luxiol, France 14 Jul-89

    Fort Hood 13 11/5/2009

    Cumbria, England 13 6/2/2010

    Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 13 4/7/2011
    
Aurora, CO 12 7/20/2012

    Azerbaijan State Oil Academy 12 4/30/2009

    Emsdetten Germany 11 11/6/2006
    Cologne Germany 11 6/11/1964
    McClendon, AL 10 3/10/2009

    Kauhajoki, Finland 10 9/23/2008

    GMAC, FL 10 6/18/1990
    
Red Lake, MN 10 3/21/2005

    Adelaide, Australia 10 9/6/1991
    Lyon France 10, 3/19/2009

    Nanterre France 9 2/27/2002
    Jerusalem, Israel 9 6/6/2008
    Maiduguri, Nigeria 9 6/8/2013
    Tatarstan Russia 9 5/4/1992
    Toulouse/Mounteban, France 8 3/11/12 to 3/21/12
    Mor Hungary 8 5/9/2002
    Sana’a, Yemen 8 3/30/1997
    Auchi Nigeria 7 11/27/2012
    Tuusula Finland 7 11/7/2007
    Naples Italy 7 9/18/2009
    Turin Italy 7 10/15/2002
    Alphen aan den Rijn Netherlands 6 4/9/2011
    Belgorod Russia 6 4/22/2013
    Touluse France 5 3/19/2012
    Moscow Russia 5 11/7/ 2012
    Moscow oblast 5 12/4/2013
    Brussels Belgium 4 5/27/2014
    Tours France 4 10/29/2001
    Espoo Finland 4 12/31/2009
    Carmen de Patagones, Argentina 4 9/28/2004
    Beirut, Lebanon 4 1/25/2007
    GROSSPRIEL, Austria 4 9/18/2013
    Balashinka Russia 4 4/23/2007 (home made pistol)
    Aarhus Denmark 3 4/5/1994
    Liege Belgium 3 12/13/2011
    Rotterdam Netherlands 3 4/11/2009
    Freising Germany 3 2/19/2002
    Geneva Switzerland 3 2/17/2013
    Daillon Switzerland 3 1/3/2013
    Dawson College shooting, Quebec Canada 2 9/13/2006
    W. R. Myers High School in Taber, Alberta, Canada 1 April 28, 1999

    The world 811 dead in 56 incidents = 14.5 dead per
    The US 176 dead in 11 incidents = 16 dead per

    Funny how this is only the tip of the iceberg for all those mass shootings in all
    those gun ban paradises eh!

    Based on you anti gunturds claims guns are the root cause of violence, and those countries have 1/7th the number of guns we do, then why aren’t your
    incidents and deaths not 1/7th of the US eh MORONS?

    A quick perusal by even the most numerically challenged shows that the US only has 6 of the top 25 shootings. And out of the top 36 we only account for 11 incidents and 17.3% of the dead.

  • Wfeather1942

    Amazing how many rampage and mass shootings there are in the other 205 countries, most of whom are gun ban paradises….hmmmm….thought you
    anti gunturd morons claimed gun control stopped such attacks…do tell!

    http : // en . wikipedia . org / wiki / List_of_rampage_killers

    Number of incidents listed

    Africa/Middle East 88
    Americas 119
    Asia132
    Europe106
    Oceania/Maritime Southeast Asia142
    Workplace101
    Educational settings 65
    Hate crimes 26
    Home intruders 88
    Familicides – U.S. 111
    Familicides – Europe104
    Familicides – Rest of world147
    Vehicular 33
    Grenade 28
    Other 46

    Total1336

  • Wfeather1942

    Man look at all these democrat serial killers, you anti gunterds must be so proud of how many unarmed, defenseless women and children your kind preys upon!

    Matthew Emanuel Macon (Murdered and Raped 5 White
    Women in Lansing)

    Jimmie Reed (Murdered his wife and his 2 month old daughter and set them on fire)

    Shelly Brooks (Murdered 7 prostitutes in Detroit Cass Corridor)

    Justin Blackshere (Stabbed two white cooks at Cheli’s Chili downtown Detroit)

    Jervon Miguel Coleman (Murdered three people.)

    Donell Ramon Johnson (Murdered a mother and a daughter)

    Brian Ranard Davis (6 women known murdered)

    Paul Durousseau (Seven women)

    Mark Goudeau “The Baseline Killer” (Eight women and a man in 2005-2006)

    Coral Eugene Watts (11 women in Texas & 1 in Michigan)

    Anthony McKnight (Five girls and young women)

    Derrick Todd Lee (8 Women)

    Charles Lendelle Carter (4 known murders; admits to ‘hunting’ Atlantans for 15 years!)

    The Zebra Killings (71 White people)

    Chester Turner (L.A.s most prolific killer 12 women killed.)

    Lorenzo J. Gilyard (Kansas City, MO.—13 victims)

    Eugene Victor Britt (Gary, IN.–3 known murder/rapes.)

    Reginald and Jonathan Carr (The Wichita Massacre–6 Whites murdered)

    Ray Joseph Dandridge and his uncle, Ricky Gevon Gray (Richmond, VA.–Murdered 7 people in 7 days, including an entire White family.)

    The Tinley Park Murderer (Suspect hasn’t been found but has been described as black – murdered 5 women in a store.)

    Henry Louis Wallace (Raped and strangled 5 women to death.)

    Charles Johnston (Murdered 3 unarmed white men in hospital)

    Craig Price (Brutally murdered 3 women)

    Harrison Graham (Brually Murdered 3 women)

    Charles Lee “Cookie” Thornton (Murdered 6 Whites at the Kirkwood, MO. city council.
    Darnell Hartsfeld & Romeo Pinkerton (Abducted and Murdered 5 from a
    restaurant)

    John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo (Sniped 11 people from a car in DC, 9 died.)

    George Russell (3 women, WA state)

    Timothy W. Spencer (5 killed, Arlington, VA and Richmond, VA)

    Elton M. Jackson (12 gay men killed, Norfolk, VA area)

    Carlton Gary (3 killed in Columbus, GA)

    Mohammed Adam Omar (16 women, Yemen. Omar is Sudanese.)

    Kendall Francois (8 women, Poughkeepsie, NY and surrounding areas.)

    Terry A. Blair (8 women, Kansas City area)

    Wayne Williams (33 many of them children!, Atlanta, GA)

    Vaughn Greenwood (11 killed in LA)

    Andre Crawford (10 killed in Chicago – southside)

    Calvin Jackson (9 killed possibley more in NY)

    Gregory Klepper (killed 8, Chicago – southside)

    Alton Coleman (Killed 8 in the Midwest)

    Harrison Graham (killed 7+ in N. Philadelphia)

    Cleophus Prince (6 killed in, San Diego

    Robert Rozier (7 killed in, Miami)

    Maurice Byrd (killed 20 + in St. Louis)

    Maury Travis (17 and rising, St. Louis and possibly also Atlanta)

    Hulon Mitchell, a.k.a. Yahweh Ben Yahweh (killed 20+ in Florida)

    Lorenzo Fayne (killed 5 children in East St. Louis, IL)

    Eddie Lee Mosley (killed 25 to 30 women, south Florida)

    Henry Lee Jones (killed 4 in, south Florida; Bartlett, TN)

    Richard “Babyface” Jameswhite (15 killed in, New York; Georgia.)

    Donald E. Younge, Jr. (killed 4), East St. Louis, IL; Salt Lake City, UT.

    Ivan Hill (killed 6 in Los Angeles area).

    Michael Vernon (Bronx, NY. Killed at least seven people – )

    Chester Dewayne Turner (12 women killed in, Los Angeles)
    Anthony Edward Sowell Cleveland OH Strangler. murdered eleven women

  • Publius

    I see the classless class of Hays Post are working both sides of a hot button topic.

    • Wfeather1942

      Aw, elmeruss fuddus is back!

      • Please go away

        After reading all of your posts, I have come to the following conclusions: you’re convinced all democrats are evil people, all serial killers were democrats, anyone who doesn’t immediately stand up for you and agree with you word for word is an anti gunterd, you came up with and are very proud of the phrase elmeruss fuddus and you use it as an insult randomly, and you are a former military member (thanks for the service) that should not be allowed to hold a gun due in large part to your deteriorating mental faculties combined with your desire to assert your dominance.

        • Wfeather1942

          Still no facts eh, what a dumfukk!

  • Arch Stanton

    So, after the legally concealed carry guy was thrown out, the vicious, disturbed, doesn;t care about the law guy, draws from concealment and opens fire on the now defenseless crowd!!!!

    • alexander

      Cool story.

      That didn’t actually happen though, did it?

      • Wfeather1942

        Did in Aurora CO or any other gun free zone though didnt it!

        Especially that part about a psycho not caring about the law opening fire on the defenseless crowd thingy eh!

        • alexander

          A “legally concealed carry guy” was thrown out of the theatre in Aurora?

          • Wfeather1942

            Sarcasm, they banned law abiding gun carriers, but not crazies and criminals!

          • alexander

            Sarcasm and hypotheticals make not a quality argument.

          • Wfeather1942

            Funny, the second portion was all truth, hence it does!

          • alexander

            What State is Hays in, shill?

            Why are you clogging up the comment section on our community’s site?

          • Wfeather1942

            Why is it so intellectually challenging for you to post the data to prove gun control works shill?

            Oh thats right, communists want to eliminate both the 2A & the 1A, got it!

          • alexander

            The correct answer was: Kansas.

            ns gg

          • Wfeather1942

            The correct answer was the 1ST AMENDMENT AND 51 STATES!

      • Arch Stanton

        No….just a hypothetical of what could have happened because people are for fearful of law abiding Citizens carrying firearms. Seems people are just so afraid of guns…any guns…ALL guns….that they cannot even be in the same room with them. And they think that anyone with a gun is the bad guy.

  • Wfeather1942

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

    Was looking at the Bill of Rights and didnt see anything in there that pertained to a legal justification of a couple panty peeing anti gunterd movie goers rights being violated in any fashion, why is that anti gunterds?

  • Wfeather1942

    What we have here, is a list of serial murderers, all democrats…78 out of 248 total serial murderers caught in the US.

    At current population levels, this means that if you are near, next to, standing by, or associating with a democrat you are 3.21 times more likely to be killed!

    It is the simple reality!

    Now since these particular democrats arent likely to be law abiding concealed carry people, why is it that everyone isnt scared to death of being near such proven blood thirsty heathens as democrats eh?

    1. Matthew Emanuel Macon (Murdered and Raped 5 White Women in Lansing)

    2. Jimmie Reed (Murdered his wife and his 2 month old daughter and set them on fire)

    3. Shelly Brooks (Murdered 7 prostitutes in Detroit Cass Corridor)

    4. Justin Blackshere (Stabbed two white cooks at Cheli’s Chili downtown Detroit)

    5. Jervon Miguel Coleman (Murdered three people.)

    6. Donell Ramon Johnson (Murdered a mother and a daughter)

    7. Brian Ranard Davis (6 women known murdered by a democrat)

    8. Paul Durousseau (Seven women)

    9. Mark Goudeau “The Baseline Killer” (Eight women and a man in 2005-2006)

    10. Coral Eugene Watts (11 women in Texas & 1 in Michigan)

    11. Anthony McKnight (Five girls and young women)

    12. Derrick Todd Lee (8 Women)

    13. Charles Lendelle Carter (4 known murders; admits to ‘hunting’ Atlantans for 15 years!)

    14. The Zebra Killings (71 White people)

    15. Chester Turner (L.A.s most prolific killer 12 women killed.)

    16. Lorenzo J. Gilyard (Kansas City, MO.—13 victims)

    17. Eugene Victor Britt (Gary, IN.–3 known murder/rapes.)

    18. Reginald and Jonathan Carr (The Wichita Massacre–6 Whites murdered)

    19. & 20 Ray Joseph Dandridge and his uncle, Ricky Gevon Gray (Richmond, VA.–Murdered 7 people in 7 days, including an entire White family.)

    21. The Tinley Park Murderer (Suspect hasn’t been found but has been described as black – murdered 5 women in a store.)

    22. Henry Louis Wallace (Raped and strangled 5 women to death.)

    23. Charles Johnston (Murdered 3 unarmed white men in hospital)

    24. Craig Price (Brutally murdered 3 women)

    25. Harrison Graham (Brually Murdered 3 women)

    26. Charles Lee “Cookie” Thornton (Murdered 6 Whites at the Kirkwood, MO. city council.
    27. & 28. Darnell Hartsfeld & Romeo Pinkerton (Abducted and Murdered 5 from a restaurant)

    29 &30. John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo (Sniped 11 people from a car in DC, 9 died.)

    31. George Russell (3 women, WA state)

    32. Timothy W. Spencer (5 killed, Arlington, VA and Richmond, VA)

    33. Elton M. Jackson (12 gay men killed, Norfolk, VA area)

    34. Carlton Gary (3 killed in Columbus, GA)

    35. Mohammed Adam Omar (16 women, Yemen. Omar is
    Sudanese.)

    36. Kendall Francois (8 women, Poughkeepsie, NY and surrounding areas.)

    37. Terry A. Blair (8 women, Kansas City area)

    38. Wayne Williams (33 many of them children!, Atlanta, GA)

    39. Vaughn Greenwood (11 killed in LA)

    40. Andre Crawford (10 killed in Chicago – southside)

    41. Calvin Jackson (9 killed possibley more in NY)

    42. Gregory Klepper (killed 8, Chicago – southside)

    43. Alton Coleman (Killed 8 in the Midwest)

    44. Harrison Graham (killed 7+ in N. Philadelphia)

    45. Cleophus Prince (6 killed in, San Diego

    46. Robert Rozier (7 killed in, Miami)

    47. Maurice Byrd (killed 20 + in St. Louis)

    48. Maury Travis (17 and rising, St. Louis and possibly also Atlanta)

    49. Hulon Mitchell, a.k.a. Yahweh Ben Yahweh (killed 20+ in Florida)

    50. Lorenzo Fayne (killed 5 children in East St. Louis, IL)

    51. Paul Durousseau, (killed 6, two of which were pregnant women, Jacksonville, FL; Georgia.)

    52. Eddie Lee Mosley (killed 25 to 30 women, south Florida)

    53. Henry Lee Jones (killed 4 in, south Florida; Bartlett, TN)

    54. Richard “Babyface” Jameswhite (15 killed in, New York; Georgia.)

    55. Donald E. Younge, Jr. (killed 4), East St. Louis, IL; Salt Lake City, UT.

    56. Ivan Hill (killed 6 in Los Angeles area).

    57. Michael Vernon (Bronx, NY. Killed at least seven people – )

    58. Chester Dewayne Turner (12 women killed in, Los Angeles)
    59. Anthony Edward Sowell Cleveland OH. murdered eleven women
    60. Lonnie David Franklin Jr. The Grim Sleeper LosAngeles CA 10 women killed
    61. Antwan Maurice Pittman NC up to 8 women murdered
    62. Howard Allen Indianapolis IN 3 Women
    63. Benjamin (Tony) Atkins Detroit MI 11 women raped/strangled
    64. Jake Bird Walla Walla WA 13-44
    65. Walter E Ellis Milwaukee WI 7 women strangled
    66. Kendall Francois Poughkeepsie NY 8-10 women
    67. Alfred Gaynor Springfield MA 9 women
    68. Kermit Gosnell Philadelphia PA 4 children
    69. Milton Johnson Joliet IL 10-12 INCLUDING 2 POLICE
    70. Vincent Johnson NYC NY 5-6 women strangled
    71 Anthony Kirkland Cincinnati OH 5 women
    72. Richard Marquette Portland OR 3 women
    73. Robert Nixon Chicago IL 5 women bricked to death
    74. Lemeul Smith Amsterdam NY 6 women
    75. Morris Solomon Jr Albany GA 7 women
    76. James Swann Washington D.C 4 drive by shotgun killings 5 injured
    77. John Floyd Thomas Los Angeles CA 7 women raped strangled
    78. Nathaniel White NYC NY 6 women

  • Wfeather1942

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/brutal-home-invasion-scars-heal/story?id=24588314

    Couple gets attacked and beaten at home, now they are armed, such a sad story for democrats!

  • Wfeather1942

    Wow, check out all this violence in Australia where protecting yourself from criminals is ILLEGAL since their 1996 gun ban!

    Amazing how full autos, home made, are showing up in criminals hands these days!

    Hells Angels, Outlaws went to war in the 1990’s in Australia also

    http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1888288,00.html

    Bikie gang killings 2009

    Bike gang wars

    More bikie gang violence

    http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/australia-escalating-biker-gang-war.htm

    Imagine that, fighting over turf to sell drugs!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/11/idUSSYD1644

    Bikie gangs 2007, violence escalating again, imagine that, thought you mateys took all the law abiding subjects guns, oh wait, you didn’t take the criminals, what morons!

    http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html?m=1

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-gun-crime

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/two-men-blasted-by-shotguns-in-driveby-attack-in-bankstown-three-arrested/story-fnii5s3x-1226754623560

    http://www.ballinaadvocate.com.au/news/new-plan-unveil-tackle-out-of-control-gun-violence/1992835/

  • Wfeather1942

    Uh thought you anti gun extremists claimed gun control of only the law abiding stopped criminals and crazies from attacking eh…..oh wait, all these are in AUSTRALIA, AFTER 1996 and it was just stupid luck the body counts didnt escalate!

    • Childers Palace Fire – In June 2000, drifter and con-artist Robert Long started a fire at the Childers Palace backpackers hostel that killed 15 people.
    • Monash University shooting – In October 2002, Huan Yun Xiang, a student, shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five.
    • Churchill Fire – 10 confirmed deaths due to a deliberately lit fire. The
    fire was lit on 7th of February 2009.
    • Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire – 10 confirmed and as many as 21 people
    may have died as a result of a deliberately lit fire in a Quakers Hill nursing
    home. The fire was lit early on 18th of November 2011.
    • Salamander Bay, Australia April 3, 2003 The shooter threw petrol bombs before opening fire, seriously wounding 2 students
    • Adelaide, Australia A May 7, 2012 Year eight student took a revolver on school grounds, firing shots, nobody was injured.

  • Wfeather1942

    Oh wait, even the AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT admits their gun control of only the LAW ABIDING hasnt resulted in a decrease in murder suicides!

    http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/3/2/A/%7B32A6FD1D-AF18-432E-9A46-76E42EEA9755%7Dcfi176.pdf

    The Australian Institute of Criminology’s National Homicide Monitoring Program (NHMP) has monitored homicides in Australia since 1989. NHMP data indicate that homicide, followed by the suicide of the offender either immediately after or within a short period of killing one or more victims, is a relatively infrequent event.

    Out of the total number of homicide incidents recorded by the NHMP (n=5,486), six percent (n=343) are classified as murder-suicides and 80 percent of these occurred in the context of intimate and/or family relationships.

    The most common type of murder-suicide in 2006–07 was that involving a parent killing their children (38% of murder-suicides) followed by intimate partner homicide (31% of murder-suicides). Eighty-two percent of murder-suicides in 2006–07 involved one offender and victim only.

    The remaining 18 percent involved one offender and multiple victims. The DATA shows that there is no statistically significant trend in multiple-victim murder-suicides, with numbers fluctuating between a low of zero during 2001 and a high of seven during 2003.

  • Wfeather1942

    Totally unbeknownst to anti gunterds, Australian academics have already
    examined the mass murder rate by firearm by comparing Australia to a control country: New Zealand. (Do they teach “control groups” at Harvard?)

    New Zealand is strikingly similar to Australia. Both are isolated island
    nations, demographically and socioeconomically similar.

    Their mass murder rate before Australia’s gun ban was nearly identical: From 1980 to 1996, Australia’s mass murder rate was 0.0042 incidents per 100,000 people and New Zealand’s was 0.0050 incidents per 100,000 people.

    The principal difference is that, post-1997, New Zealand remained armed
    to the teeth — including with guns that were suddenly banned in Australia.

    While it’s true that Australia has had no more mass shootings since its gun ban, neither has New Zealand, despite continuing to be massively armed. . . .

  • Wfeather1942

    Oh wait, what does our Australian cousins down under say about gun buy backs…..lets look!

    THE AUSTRALIAN FIREARMS BUYBACK AND ITS EFFECT ON GUN DEATHS

    WANG-SHENG LEE and SANDY SUARDI*

    The 1996-1997 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) in Australia introduced strict gun laws, primarily as a reaction to the mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania, in 1996, where 35 people were killed.

    Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we reanalyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates. (JEL C22, K19)

    VII. CONCLUSION

    This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the NFA on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects—that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

    Since the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, two other shooting incidents have attracted much media attention in Australia. An incident on October 21, 2002 at Monash University, in which a gunman killed two people and wounded five, prompted the National Handgun Buyback Act of 2003.

    Under this scheme that ran from July to December 2003, 70,000 handguns were removed from the community at a cost of approximately A$69 million.

    Another shooting on June 18, 2007, in which a lone gunman killed a man who had come to the aid of an assault victim and seriously wounded two others in Melbourne’s central business district during morning rush hour, renewed calls for tougher gun controls.

    Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.

  • Wfeather1942

    By the way, what is a country, with gun bans suicide rate vs the US?
    Australia has 1/100th of our firearms, so they should have 1/100th of our
    suicide rate, uh dude, their 2010 suicide rate is 11.14 per 100k people.

    What about murders, lets compare that as well.

    1996 Australia 1.7 murders per 100k people 2011 1.08 murders per 100k
    people a -36.5% reduction

    1996 US 7.4 murders per 100k people 2011 4.7 murders per 100k people a
    -36.5% reduction.

    How is it again, that a country with a 42% increase in civilian firearm
    ownership and 100 times more firearms in law abiding civilian hands than
    Australia, have the same reduction in murders as they did?

    Now if one breaks it down into weapons used if you take and look at the
    normal trend, one see’s Australia reduction in murder by illegal use of
    firearms only reduced -4.41% from 1996 to 2011, the US from 1996 to 2011 was reduced -26.5%.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/4510.02011?OpenDocument

    http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/F/F/B/%7bFFB9E49F-160F-43FC-B98D-6BC510DC2AFD%7dmr01.pdf

    • Wfeather1942

      Oh wait, you forgot to mention the increases in weapons being used to commit murders or VIOLENT CRIME which the Australian government acknowledges in their reports, and reflect that indeed as
      noted, more WEAPONS and more KNIVES are being used to commit a crime REPLACING the use of a firearm.

      But hey dont let govt. FACTS get in the way of your fantasy.

      Since you already have a functioning link to the Australian crime database, you can try and refute their data again!

      “A Transcript of the Police Interview With Martin Bryant” http : // loveforlife . com . au / content / 07 / 10 / 30 / transcript-police-interview-martin-bryant

      Funny, how even before 1996, you needed a LICENSE to purchase a firearm, yet the Port Arthur killer didnt have one, yet that is somehow the LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS FAULT AGAIN EH?

      So without the Port Arthur killings using a firearm only 65 occurred in 1996, which was 40 in 2011, wow thats impressive, NOT.

      Geez, didnt the Port Author killings occur in 1996 making a spike in their killings, yeah it did. So is it a true reflection upon normal crime trends to add that anomaly/spike into the trends as a rational comparison to see what effect a law had on a result, no it isnt!

      See that is where the gun banners like to use % to look impressive and quote the % of firearms used in murders has dropped SO DRAMATICALLy.

      Lets see 311 murders, 65 using firearm in 1996 65/311 = 20.9%
Lets see 244 murders, 44 using firearm in 2011 40/244 = 16.39%

      Amazing how when one digs into the details, the ACTUAL TREND for reduction in killings using a firearm is rather puny!

      Yet the number of assaults with weapons keeps rising, hmmmm. Sure appears that the level of violence isnt being reduced, but just luck of the draw some of those arent killings, so sad.

      Oh and as noted in GOVT. and recorded history, there was indeed a NASTY gang war going on in the 1980’s to early 2000’s. Has that ended matey, oh yes, it has hasnt it.

      Oh whats this page #31,Homicide in Australia: 2007–08 National Homicide Monitoring Program annual report

      http://aic.gov.au/documents/8/9/D/
      %7b89DEDC2D-3349-457C-9B3A-9AD9DAFA7256%7dmr13_004.pdf

      “…………. The majority of firearms used in homicides were unregistered and/or unlicensed” hmmm, such a consistent trend all over the world that the bad guys dont obey the law to begin with!

      All the while also refusing to acknowledge the effect of the baby boomers age subgroup as it affects crime rates. Geez, you Aussies had the Baby Boomers (born 1947-1964) also didn’t you,
      yeah you did!

      Criminologists the world over all agree the most active criminal ages are 15-24 and 25-34, then the criminal activity declines the older a subgroup gets. Amazing how that actually mirrors identically the trend in murders DECREASING, a trend that Australian government
      shows began occurring back in the mid 1980’s and continues to this day. Not to mention the ending of those gang turf battles.

      Hence yet again, no valid proof that gun control had anything relevant to causing that reduction in murders., a near 42% drop in actual murders using a firearm in the US versus a 39% drop in
      murders using a firearm in Australia. Uh dude, there is no statistical
      difference is there, geez shuckey darn! Yet again proof that less firearms doesn’t equal less violence, much less more guns equal more violence BS.

      You were saying?

  • Wfeather1942

    Geez, just horrible more data, FROM ANOTHER GOVERNMENT (one of many) which bans guns, showing how gun control of the law abiding has failed to reduce violence by the criminals (as all of them do), and still not one single one of you can..

    1) demonstrate the law abiding gun owners are the problem
    2) demonstrate that law abiding gun owners are untrained/disciplined
    3) provide evidence of criminals open carrying
    4) provide evidence of all the collateral shootings you claim

    etc. etc, etc etc……..

  • Wfeather1942

    This is what the few anti gunterds at Hays want for law abiding gun owners, to be disarmed fish in a barrel, easy pickings for the democrats favorite wealth redistribution programs!

    http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/26037853/robbery-reported-on-orange-line-train

  • Wfeather1942

    Thankyou moms demand action for disarming another victim at Starbucks, MDA should be sued along with Starbucks for their anti gunterd actions and not protecting their customers!

    http://www.nbc12.com/clip/10370776/innsbrook-starbucks-employee-still-in-intensive-care-after-attack

  • Wfeather1942
    • proud to carry

      You have stated your point emphatically: guns are good. Please stop spamming links. Also, this isn’t me arguing with you, please save yourself the time, don’t say I’m an antigunterd, and i have no intention of getting into an argument over government statistics. The only point I’m making is that you are spamming unnecessarily. And yes I agree that guns are good, so save the rest of your insults.

      • Wfeather1942

        So you really arent my VA doctors who have cleared me for over 2 1/2 decades, whew, glad thats out of the way……….SNARK!

        Oh and lets get one thing clear, I will judge what is, or isnt to be spoken or posted, capiche!

        • Wow

          Holy cow Man U r insane. I hope the NSA is watching u.

          • Wfeather1942

            Holy cow, your still a dumfukk even using a different account name!

  • do not print

    The great lesson here….we who carry do so in the context and environment of the sheeples. Even though we are there to protect ourselves and the sheeples, they know not have a clue, wont’ care, and shouldn’t know we are there. The conclusion, in order to protect ourselves and them, make sure when you carry, DO NOT PRINT. Too bad, but that is the way it is. Even in do not carry zones, this is the solution. You will never convince them, just do what you need to do!

  • Yahooseriois

    I’m beginning to wonder. Is wfeather1942 a liberal? Instigating furver on the lefts behalf? Im a leftie. All I can say is if he is, I don’t condone this type of behavior from a fellow leftie. Is he true to his word? Well then I’m packing as well “brother”.

    Your a scary cat, man. Cross my path and you’ll have more than 7 years bad luck. Your preaching to the wrong crowd “brother”. Lefties here in Kansas are not anti-gun.

    • Wfeather1942

      Aw, we see another ignorant wack-a-loon anti gunterd try their pathetic hand at Saul Alinskies Rule #5, demonize and attack that which you cant prove wrong!

      Since a few extremist lefties infer, blame, insult, demonize, lie pathologically and make a general arsch of themselves, you are now complaining you dont like being lumped in with them?

      Why is that, your silence in not telling your extremist komrades to STFU about their BS just confirms you agree with them we see!

      Isnt it true that since one of you commits a crime, all are guilty……where have we seen that done….oh wait, anti gunterds do that to pro rights people all the time.

      So maybe, for once, maybe you should clean your own house and tell your extremist komrades to STFU, cause until they do, we will treat you all, as they treat us, capiche MORON!