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Student Lead Pro Life Rally with Rep. Huelskamp

Rep. Huelskamp at Friday Rally

Rep. Huelskamp at Friday Rally

Friday morning, Representative Tim Huelskamp took part in the Catholic School Life Rally in Wichita, Kansas. Started by St John’s Catholic High School, the event has grown nationally, asking students of Catholic high schools from around the country to pray outside of abortion clinics. Rep. Huelskamp issued the following statement about his involvement today:

“I am truly humbled and honored to have the opportunity to participate. These high school students are courageous and very clearly understand the power of prayer. Abortion is a true evil on the heart of America — the merciless murder of unborn babies. Its barbarism and brutality is glossed over by the leader of our Country. It is my hope through vigils like these that we can raise up a generation that will help heal this land.”

Congressman Huelskamp is a lead member of the Congressional Pro-Life Caucus.

 

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  • John Liebenthal

    The Bible is pro-abortion. In Numbers 5: 16-21 there are instructions on how a priest should force a woman to abort if she has been unfaithful: 16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

    • stone_cold_steve_austin

      Really????? You translate that as the bible is pro-abortion. I would say go back to bible study but guessing you were never there to begin with.

      • I’m no scholar

        How would you interpret it? Not trolling, just asking.

        • Reformed

          The obvious point to make is that the passage never mentions the woman is pregnant from the adulterous relationship. The result of a guilty judgement from God is the inability to have children. The judgement isn’t that the priest or anyone else is take a pregnant woman and perform an abortion on her. The entire passage reveals a couple of things; first, it shows how serious an offense the sin of adultery was (for punishment of an adulterous husband, see Leviticus 20); secondly, the adulterous wife, by standing before the Ark in an attitude of humility (the hair issue), was given an opportunity to confess of her sin. If she did confess, the grain was used as a sin offering. If she continued to profess her innocence, the Jewish people trusted the promise made here by God that nothing would come of drinking the potion. However, if she stood before the LORD, took an oath of innocence, and was guilty (the LORD knows every persons heart), then the consequence was the curse. We see both God’s mercy and His divine judgement.

          • A_citizen_patriot

            Very well put.

          • John Liebenthal

            So you still think that if a woman is guilty of adultery she should have a forced abortion? Because that’s what it sounds like you are saying.

          • Reformed

            I’m just interpreting what I read. I think my sins are just as bad as an adulterous woman, if not worse, and God, through his undeserved grace, has provided me redemption. My theology calls that justification by faith. Forgiveness is offered to the Israelite woman who found herself experiencing the law mentioned in Numbers. It required repentance.
            No, I don’t think this law applies to our society. It applied specifically to Israel as it was God’s chosen nation under a theocracy. Honestly, for anyone that refuses to repent and believe, the curse of a miscarriage is peanuts compared to the judgement God promises. Keep in mind, even if you are correct that this curse means abortion (I personally don’t), it’s done by God as the result of a curse. And we’re not God.
            As a former youth group church chaplain, I’m sure you realize that those of us whose conscience doesn’t support abortion argue our point from the 5th Commandment.

          • John Liebenthal

            **Crickets**

      • John Liebenthal

        I was Church Chaplain of my youth group. It says that the priest “makes [her] womb miscarry” which is the definition of an abortion–a forced miscarriage. That means in Numbers it gives direction to punish adultery by forcing the woman to miscarry/have an abortion.

        • Are you for slavery also?

          I would love to see you run for political office on that stance about women’s rights. The left and right would have a field day with you.

          • John Liebenthal

            I agree. They would have a field day. I also agree that the argument that the Bible is for OR against abortion is silly. The Bible says slaves should be kind to their masters and women should be stoned to death for cutting their hair. That;s my point. Tim claims the Bible gives him the right to harass patients at a medical facility. He is full of it! If you read other articles on the even you will see that 2 religious leaders spoke on behalf of the clinic and the students decided to bring Tim. This is political grandstanding under the guise of religious morality. That is all.

          • Reformed

            I wouldn’t argue the Bible gives us the right to protest any societal ill. The First Amendment does. The Bible gives us the basis for determining right and wrong. Your comments regarding slaves and stoning hair violators is common when I have discussions with skeptics (not saying you are one). There’s not enough space to address those, but I will say it is an error in rules for biblical interpretation. Namely, the implicit is to be interpreted in light of the explicit.
            I do share your disgust with those that use faith as a political tool (Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Pat Robertson, et. al.).

          • Chris

            Um, I think basic human intelligence gives us the basis for determining right and wrong. The bible has nothing to do with that. Nor does the torah, or the quran, the tankh, the ramayana, or any other of the uncountable religious texts.

            So I’m interpreting the bible wrong when it says to stone a woman that isn’t a virgin when she gets married? When it provides verses on how slaves should be submissive to their masters?

          • Reformed

            That’s your right. However, relying on humans to determine right from wrong has historically been destructive. My own faith has been in destructive wars because groups misinterpreted what the WHOLE scripture teaches. And this is a point of shame for us. Those without faith (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol pot) have killed even more when relying on their interpretation of reason. Personally, I’ve been convinced that Christianity is true and reflective of reality. Many disagree. Everyone has to be able to live with their own conscience.
            My faith believes that moral law is determined by God, and is therefore not relative. Truth is truth, no matter what I think about it. I’ve wrestled with many of the objections stated by you and others and have been satisfied with what determined study has revealed. One thing is for sure….if I have a problem with what the Bible says, it’s not the Bible that’s the problem. It’s me.
            What you call ‘basic human intelligence’ I call conscience as described in Romans 2:15.

          • Time to mature

            “relying on humans to determine right from wrong has historically been destructive.” I beg to differ. Books determining what is right or wrong has historically been more destructive. I am a practicing Christian, but history shows Christianity specifically accounts for more deaths than any other single faith. This is all in the way the Bible is interpreted. I wish people could find the message of hope and redemption and forgiveness the Bible can bring, rather than using it as an instrument of destruction and reckless ambitions.

          • Reformed

            I respectfully disagree with your comment about Christianity accounts for more deaths. I know that’s a common assumption, but my studies have not provided evidence to substantiate the assumption. That’s not to say that leaders of the past, claiming Christian faith (I’d argue they were not true possessors of the faith) are not guilty of wrongful deaths. But I’d argue that a person can be a professor of the faith without being a possessor of the faith. The 20th Century had more destructive wars then any other, and most of the deaths were the result of leaders of NO faith (see my comment above). Hitler was a reader Nietzsche. Stalin and Mao read Marx. They put the the theory of the books into action.
            I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you, Brother, regarding hope, redemption, and forgiveness. THAT is the message, and if it’s obvious to those that are looking for it. I commend you on getting to the point. I pray others see you comment.

          • Chris

            ” I’ve been convinced that Christianity is true and reflective of reality”

            What is “true” about it exactly? A literal interpretation of the bible? A parable-like interpretation? An interpretation based on current ideology?

  • Tell me that cats name…

    Boondock Saints said it best. “Do not murder, do not steal, do not rape. These are things every person of every faith can abide by.”