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489 and Hays NEA Still at Odds

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Negotiating teams for USD 489 and Hays NEA discuss the 2013-2014 teachers contract Tuesday.

Still no agreement about salaries or pay raises for teachers in USD 489.

Negotiation groups for the Hays school district and the Hays NEA met late Tuesday afternoon.

The board of  education is offering to add $160,00 to the salary schedule, according to superintendent Will Roth.  Hays NEA representative Kim Schneweis says the district has saved $446,000  by not filling vacant teaching positions.   The teachers union wants $450,000 dollars added for returning staff.  School board president Greg Schwarz says there is not enough money for that.

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Members of the USD 489 negotiating team return to the room after a caucus.

The negotiating teams did tentatively agree to revise the Hays High School schedule, with teachers conducting six classes and students attending seven classes in the previous 90-minute block schedule.  That schedule won’t be approved until the both sides agree on a new contract.

The 2012-13 contract remains in effect.

The groups will meet again August 6 at 4:30p.m.

 

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  • Yahooserious

    Maybe stop pumping so much damn money into coaches and sports? Maybe try educating our kids? My 2 year old can catch a ball. Doesn’t take much to learn that.

  • )@^!&”&

    I think everyone needs a raise in the district except for the administrators. The fact that we can give some dummy over $60,000 a year for his ‘expert’ advice tells you where the real problem is. Our teachers work hard and need to be compensated for that!!

    • Guest23

      Over $60,000 plus an open-ended expense account. could have hired more staff with that kind of money.

  • disqus_2whEyO0Gka

    Teachers and Paras are in need of a raise. Paras make $8.45. That’s a joke. You can’t support a family on that wage and they spend more time with those students than the teachers do.

    • Guest23

      You are right disqus that is not enough pay for what paras do. USD489 has many outstanding paras but it’s hard to keep them with such low pay.

      • Uncle Thomas

        How do we know our teachers and paras are outstanding? Does the district conduct objective, quantifiable evaluations and goal setting?

        • disqus_2whEyO0Gka

          Paras get reviewed every year by their lead teacher. You know they’re outstanding because they are doing jobs that most people wouldn’t do for $8.45/hour. Paras don’t just sit next to the student all day and do nothing. They change diapers, spoon feed, teach, etc. Most of them don’t even get enough hours to be able to get insurance. It’s sad when someone that makes a cheeseburger makes more than someone that works with children everyday.

    • Uncle Thomas

      Please read my response below…teachers make a darn good salary plus they receive full time benefits for working part-time. That is correct they work approximately 32 hours per week on a 52 week year. Most of us on salary during these challenging times work 55+ hours per week x 52 weeks per year.
      As for the paras if they want more money then they need to seek an education.

      • Frank

        I personally know one para in this district with a masters in education.

      • disqus_2whEyO0Gka

        What makes you think they aren’t educated? A lot of them are paras because there aren’t any teaching jobs available right now. Clearly you don’t really know what teachers or paras do every day.

  • Uncle Thomas

    BOE can only afford $160k, but will pay a non-expert an experts consulting fee of $65k+. They will pay for over priced insurance from a former BOE’s employer, ready to build a road they should have communicated and built a bridge with the owner’s of the road. They will rent a “chiller” for Roosevelt when they could start school a few weeks later and save at least $30k, what happened to the saving from closing KMS?
    I believe I raised over $500k in the aforementioned paragraph.

    • Uncle Thomas

      The real question is do they deserve an increase? Other then wanting more money what is the basis for the increase they request? Are 489 students in the top 5% of the students in the state of Kansas? I don’t even know what the average wage of a 489 teacher is with a bachelors or a masters. The salary is based on 12 months…correct? They only have students for 8 months or less after you subtract out the summer vacation, fall break, spring break, holiday break, teachers in-service days, etc. Everyone wants to whine of too much work and not enough pay, but most of our salaries are based on 12 months and we work 12 months. Any paid time of for the rest of the world is subtracted from a limited amount of vacation days.

      • Disgusted

        You are correct about the time off, but what about the fact many of them work more than eight hours a day, continue to work outside of the normal hours (grading, planning, etc), get very little time for lunch and have diminishing planning periods? On top of all of this, they teacher/supervise/mentor anywhere between 18 and 20some students per day. Hell yeah they deserve a raise. To comment on your top 5% of the students in the state of Kansas; i do not know know a percentage but please keep in mind, the teacher is there teach. He/she can not ensure the students will take in the knowledge being provided and put in a solid effort. We have awesome teachers in this district, it is just unfortunate the kids these days are more worried about facebook, twitter, xbox and other WASTES OF TIME.

        • passin_threw

          hahaha that’s it, blame the kids for not getting motivated. your name should be disgusting. if the teacher does his/her job the kids will be motivated to learn and you wouldn’t have to blame the social networks for the shortcomings of “trained” professionals

          • Disgusted

            damn right i am going to blame kids being unmotivated/not caring. you cannot sit there, in this day and age and tell me kids are not distracted by outside factors. A motivated kid will put in a solid effort and keep outside factors outside the classroom. If we are going to play the “name changing game” your name should be passin_gas as the only thing coming out of you is hot air and i believe you may be talking out of your a*#. The teachers in this district work hard, they deserve a raise and if you look at state assessment results over the past few years, you will see they work hard at helping the kids of USD 489 stay on track and get a good education.

          • passin_threw

            all teachers work hard? all kids are to be blamed? your generalizations make it hard to buy into your argument. this is what’s wrong with unions, everyone gets rewarded when only some deserve the reward

          • Disgusted

            I am pretty sure I never mad any comments indicating “all teachers work hard” and “all kids are to be blamed.” I was simply saying there are kids out there that flat out DO NOT CARE. This is true for kids in school and kids in the community. I am saying these teachers put up with a lot with no compensation (raises). They put in a ton of time both at school and at home. They work hard at working with these kids and helping them learn. I am not sure of when the last raise was issued, but I strongly believe they deserve a raise, rather than wasting the districts money on useless items like a “consultant.”

          • passin_threw

            the implication was there when you said “The teachers in this district work hard, they deserve a raise and if you look at state assessment results over the past few years, you will see they work hard at helping the kids of USD 489 stay on track and get a good education.” i don’t doubt that there are teachers deserving a raise but i’m sure there are also tenured teachers who are protected by the union who have mailed it in and don’t put forth enough effort to deserve a raise is my argument.

          • passin_threw

            in your analogy the kids get the blame for being unmotivated and the teachers get the praise for state assessment results. you don’t see the contradiction?

          • Disgusted

            Again, not all kids are unmotivated. There are number of them that do put a solid effort into the process. The teachers should get the praise as they work with the kids that do well, but then work harder with the kids that struggle since they do want them to be successful.

          • Uncle Thomas

            DITTO

        • Uncle Thomas

          Okay a teacher works 8 months or 32 weeks in a school year based on my stated estimation above which you acknowledged…after we subtract out the socializing before school, after school at their lunch break, during their planning period with their co-workers I will exaggerate their work day to be 9.5 hrs/day x 5 days x 32 weeks = 1520/school year. We can add in 120 hours for summer planning with a total worked per year of 1640 when the rest of the world considers full time to be 2080 hours/year. Let’s say they make a conservative $35,000/year…this equates to $21.34/hour + full time benefits! What is the complaint about pay?
          If they are working more then what I have stated above they only confirm what experts have stated…”education is one of the most inefficient organizations…” They need time management skills.

  • just some guy

    yes quit dumping money into sports and give these kids an education that they need

    • Hmmmmmmm

      And the weight room was suppose to be ALL FROM PRIVATE FUNDS. Pay back all the money when you receive the rest. Bet that won’t happen.

    • passin_threw

      a pay raise doesn’t ensure a better education. tenure has ruined our public education system

  • Hmmmmmmm

    If I remember back when the people came forward to ask the board to take over and pay for the remainder for the High School weight room, the board said sure. Seems like they had the money then and not enough left over after that for teachers pay. The teachers should be the ones on the top of the totem pole. The administrators should be the last for a pay raise.

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